Personal rankings of the original missions are a regular topic on the TTLG forums to this day. What players perceive as the best missions from The Dark Project, The Metal Age, and Deadly Shadows seems to be something people continue to be interested in.
Was the possibility of adding the original missions to Thief Guild ever discussed?
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Noted :)
That'll require a bit of repetitive work to be done, and the content needs to be prepared with care.
Anyone interested in helping me with populating pages for those missions? (I will provide instructions on private after someone applies voluntarily)
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I'd also like to be able to rate them!
How can I help?
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OK folks... I really appreciate your commitment. Thank you for offering yourself! Let's do it!!!
To start I will need everyone of you having a Creator Account :) thebigh and trefoilknot already have it.
@Aldarith - you will need to apply for the Creator Account here:
https://www.thiefguild.com/showcase/creator_account
1. Scroll to the bottom and click the big blue button to proceed.
2. Leave the field blank in the popup and click "Upgrade!"
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Now... we will need to populate all Thief titles. So that will require each one of you picking only one Thief title and taking care of it.
We will do that by using the FM publishing feature, and I will later take care of transitioning them into OG missions :)
Please folks - pick your thief game - First come first served!!!
(I will keep this list updated as you comment below)
@Aldarith -> TDP + TG
@trefoilknot -> TMA
@thebigh -> TDS
-> T4 ... yes yes - we need to provide our famous/infamous T2014 as well.
Please pick your game and we go for it!!!
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I would like to do TDP / Thief Gold!
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I can do TMA
Will these be posted as if TrefoilKnot missions? Or can we make an LGS account post as LGS-authored missions?
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So I have asked ehcmier (discord handle) if he is down to be a consultant on this, and he says that he is totally cool with helping us by answering any questions.
Do y'all know how to find him?
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I kinda think a shared LGS account is best too.
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I've made an LGS account for this purpose and I'm about to make you an Ion Storm account, @thebigh.
Hit me up on Discord (same username) and I will give you the credentials for it!
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If you all want to use a shared account, we can do that, but it's not necessary.
Basically:
1. Final pages wont show the authors as "Looking Glass Studios" or "Ion Storm". We can think of adding individual authors of those missions, but let's keep it optional now.
2. In order to share the private OM pages between each other now, you can just put everyone else into authors section. Maybe shared account will be more convenient, but shouldn't be used on a long term.
After we have our OMs entered into DB, I will make some system changes before final public:
- Remove you from authors
- Keep you guys as "managers of FM"
- Set up proper OM list ("series")
During when you all create OMs, I will design new pages for them, and let's think together if there should be any special adaptions of pages.
Let's also think about the content:
1. Briefing. I think this section will be simple and should be pasted from briefing videos (and briefing screen - TDS), with no modification.
2. Release date - just put the release date of the first release of the game itself
3. Sequel - make each successor mission as a sequel of previous mission, so that we have "series" plot properly set up on our database
Also, Let's add TDP and TG as a single series for simplicity?
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Alrighty, I think all of that sounds fair - I think the concern over personal accounts was having the associations of the ratings and issues of credit. If that will be modified before public, I have no issue at all.
I agree with all your points about the content.
Regarding T1 /TG, Can a mission have more than one sequel link?
If so, I could make a Thief Gold entry and a Dark Project entry for The Lost City to identify the separate versions.
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> Can a mission have more than one sequel link?
Yes!
It's also possible to put missions in multiple series. We will see which approach works better.
You're right, The Lost City will require a separate entry.
Now that you mention it... Is there a full list of differences between those two versions? I can't remember how much they differ apart from the talisman being not present in one of them.
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TLC In TG also has Mages instead of craymen!
I am not 100% sure what the other differences are but I know someone who does ;)
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@Aldarith your account is upgraded. Please go here and start adding OMs, put us three as authors as well:
https://www.thiefguild.com/my/fanmissions
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Well, time to start another playthrough of TDS
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If you ask on the TTLG forums, there is a chance someone can supply you with save game files for all missions.
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Got it.
Should I make two Multi Mission Campaigns, one for Thief : The Dark Project and one for Thief Gold and make FM entries for each individual mission, then make them prequels and sequels?
Or should I just make one entry per mission and let you handle the campaign aspects?
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Just please make one FM entry per each OM, and I will handle the TDP grouping and TG grouping as a series.
From our group chat on Discord, ehcmier seems to suggest only The Sword and The Lost City missions have two different versions with significant changes. We can add one or two more later on if we decide, but for now it doesn't seem to me that we need to duplicate all missions.
In other words, please add all Thief Gold missions, and add these missions twice: The Sword, The Lost City.
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How is the progress with this? I am not in Discord and therefore out of the loop at the moment.
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Thief Gold it all set-up and ready to go, Thief II is in progress.
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Thank you both for the update! I have TDS installed and could support the effort to get the missions onto Thief Guild.
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If any help needed with adding missions - let me know.
Reminder:
1. Add new mission in my missions section.
2. Add briefing. Should be pasted from briefing videos (and briefing screen - TDS), with no modification.
3. Release date - just put the release date of the first release of the game itself
4. Sequel - make each successor mission as a sequel of previous mission, so that we have "series" plot properly set up on our database (Do not set prequels)
5. Authors - add me (and other guys) to the authors section, so that we can see the unpublished mission and help you reviewing.
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I'm really looking forward to see the finished result and thank you guys for your hard work!
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If you still need help with the missions from the Deadly Shadows campaign, please let me know.
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Hi folks. I've just added all TDS "Missions":
(Obviously, they are waiting hidden, until bulk release)
Checking Inn, Cashing Out
End of the Bloodline
St. Edgar's Eve
Into the Pagan Sanctuary
The House of the Widow Moira
The Sunken Citadel
Killing Time
Of Brethren... And Betrayers
Robbing the Cradle
Still Life with Blackjack
When I used Thief Wiki to help myself with briefings, I've realized the game is totally non-linear and also includes this "Areas" concept.
See "Missions" box on the bottom of this page.
Btw. I've also finished T2 yesterday.
Right now, I am planning a release of all T1, TG, T2 and TDS. It will be without "Areas" of TDS and I am open for suggestions if you have any ideas how should they be presented on the page, and (most importantly) if they are at all needed here.
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Adding the TDS missions as listed above without the City hub areas feels like the right approach to me.
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First, let me thank whoever and all who made rating the original-Ms possible.
Now, my small niggle regarding the TDP/TG mission versions: afair there are/were differences between the original TDP and the TG versions of the Sword in that the former didn't have the "little big world" addon (it only came somewhere along the progressive iterations of TFix (which notably also changed many other things, smaller and bigger, beyond a pure technical update).
Also I am at a loss as to any more differences between the TDP and TG versions of Undercover beyond the amount of talismans (of course)?
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Thank you all for all the motivation to get this done, and once again thanks for help:
Big thanks to Aldarith for contribution to TDP+TG pages content and mission covers!
Thanks to trefoilknot and ehcmier for reviewing.
@nanao I think Aldarith might be able to better answer your questions.
@Aldarith, when you have the info, we should add it to the mission pages "notes" section.
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Would it be possible to add the Thief 2 demo mission "Unwelcome Guest" as well? Although it's an earlier version of "Life of the Party", it is significantly different and I for one like it better than LOTP.
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You're not the only one.
I think this is a good idea. Same for Thief Gold demo.
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